Wednesday, November 16, 2005

What do you call a gorilla in a suit? A bouncer

I'm sure I'm going to draw a lot of flak for that "joke" from the numerous armchair critics who have flocked to drive the hits on this blog up, up, up, and away.

It was taken from the website below, and just so everyone knows, it's as old as the English Language.

The United Kingdom established the Private Security Industry Act 2001 which regulates the quality of security personnel around the country. Why can't we have something like that?

Please sign the petition at the side... help see to it that these people who are entrusted with our safety are properly trained and can be trusted with our safety.

Below is an excerpt from the article, link is posted at the side and below.

Cheers.

///Z.a

http://www.bized.ac.uk/current/leisure/2004_5/180405.htm

Barring Entry to Bouncers: Licensing Door Supervisors

The joke is old, but for many 'door supervisors', as they prefer to be called, the image of their job is unfairly summarised by comments such as these. There are estimated to be 100,000 door supervisors working in the UK. This is only one-fifth of the total number employed in the UK security industry. Security is a very hot topic at present, with many companies, other than just pubs and clubs reviewing their security policy, if indeed they had one in the first place. 'Bouncers', 'doormen' or door supervisors to be non-gender specific, are there to improve the safety of pubgoers and clubbers as well as providing reassurance to customers. If this doesn't exactly chime with your experience of door staff, then perhaps this is about to change.

Half a million people are employed in the security industry in Britain. Work roles in this industry vary widely, including the following:

*Security guards
*Door supervisors
*Vehicle immobilisers
*Close protection officers (otherwise known as 'minders')
*Private investigators
*Security consultants
*Keyholders

Under the Private Security Industry Act 2001, it is a criminal offence to be occupied in any of these jobs without first obtaining a licence. If convicted of flouting this law, the penalty is six months in prison or a £5,000 fine. The law came into force fully in mid-April 2005.

A door supervisor's licence costs £190 and is valid for three years. Two types of licence exist, though: one for front-line work and one for non front-line staff. The Security Industry Association, an independent body set up by the 2001 Act, talks of the change in law creating an 'extended police family' which aims to have a positive impact through:

*Reducing crime
*Cutting disorder
*Minimising anti-social behaviour
*Improving public safety, and
*Providing reassurance

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16 November, 2005 01:48  
Anonymous Fan of Ju Lee said...

Go Ju Lee, GO! If you ever become a politician and you wanna pass that bill, I'll surely support you! Yay!

But first we must eradicate poverty! And try to bring the unemployment rate down to 3% ok? Inflation must be dealt with too. Prices of everything is going up, but our mediocre salaries remain the same! I'm already burning a pocket trying to fill up my Kancil's oil tank.

16 November, 2005 02:09  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

woah...how come I never learnt this in law skool?

16 November, 2005 02:16  
Blogger zouk.abuse said...

hi fan of ju lee.

eradicating poverty, unemployment and inflation is a priority. but it has to come hand in hand with higher standards of living. you cannot eradicate these things first or second. everything must come hand in hand.

when you increase things like social, political and judicial standards, you increase the standard of the economy. the country will become a more desirable place for investment and tourists. people will get jobs.

let me give you this example for instance. we have a foreigner who has been bashed up in a club. he will go back home and tell people that this is what you can expect in this country - lawlesness.

he may tell his story to friends and family. they may be businessmen or potential tourists. you think then, that they would come to malaysia? i think if you were in their shoes you probably wouldn't.

unemployment levels, poverty, business, will inevitably suffer. remember we are a big export economy. this is the global world, we do need to earn the respect of everyone else.

anonymous..... coming from another law buff, (though i do PR and advertising i was educated in law) trust me on this. you may learn legalities in school. but you will only learn justice and life out in the real world.

cheers.

16 November, 2005 03:25  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OH now its a foreigner bashed up in a club not a lovey dovey couple??

pardon my ignorance but in law would it be better to call it unsubstantiated claims or fabricated claims? i cant decide which is better

16 November, 2005 08:52  
Anonymous NeutralMan said...

Ju Lee

I feel, instead of you starting a petition to gain support, you should actually show solid prrof of the incident 1st. up to now, no one has come up as an eye witness yet you claim that all the other patrons watched u get beaten up.

4 "gorilla" bouncers will inflict substantial damage physically to the both of u. do u have proof of this injury? medical records? pictures?

you said "The patrons around us looked in disbelief but did nothing. We were helplessly being beaten up and people just crowded to watch" ....which is weird cos so far only yr good friend has come out to substantiate yr claim.

also , u said " was hysterical. Beaten, bruised, crying. My mouth was bleeding, the left side of my face swollen. Later that evening when I removed my make up did I realise how blue black my face and eyes really were. The inside of my mouth on the left side was cut - the blow to my face made the inside of my cheek impact my teeth, ultimately cutting a deep gash open. The teeth on the left side of my mouth still hurt till today.

James was in a worse state. His mouth was bleeding profusely. It cannot close properly anymore, his molars no longer align. They kicked him so bad his retainers behind his lower teeth in the front were bashed off, the wire exposed, cutting at his tongue. His front teeth are cracked - his mouth can't shut. Permanent damage. No one should suffer this, let alone a sick man."
...this should be very easy to proof as medical records or treatment for this injury will show tht such damages exists. with half the people not believing yr story, i wonder why u r holding back this kind of proof. If you really want to see malaysia change for the better, then substantiate yr claim...posting about azahari and gorilla in suits is just a way of u escaping from the core and purpose of this whole blog.

U also said he is shitting blood till today.. well proof it then. again , medical records? expenses? PROOF!! not irrelevant talk abt azahari!!

what will also further proof yr claim are medical record of yr bf being "He has had a string of health problems from birth. As he was born premature, he came out with a hole in his heart and liver complications." ...proof this and ppl will believe yr story.
is he really sick?

i see u trying to gain support and pity by just telling stories. by law, they r innocent until proven guilty. but u show nothing to prove that but mere words , defamation and slander.
anyone can talk.
And since u did so much talking, with lack of proof, ppl have began to deny yr sincerity and more ppl are starting to think u r a liar.

as for me, im neutral. i hv been to many clubs since the early 90s and i know tht bouncers hv a job to do. i know some personally. they r not tht stupid as to give a female a thumping in public. Which makes yr story sound like an exageration.

16 November, 2005 09:02  
Anonymous Neutral Man said...

Neutral man again here...

what would be even better to add as proof is the "PLEASE HELP ME" SMS that yr bf sent to u when he wanted help.

cos im again doubtful of this.. wouldnt it be easier to dial yr number than to type tht sms during a black-out spell? and for you to hear the sms alert in a club?

16 November, 2005 09:15  
Blogger Jennifer said...

Hey Jules and all

Yesterday, I shared Julee's story with my colleagues.

I told them, "A couple got roughhoused in Zouk by some bouncers."

At first, they were shocked that a girl got manhandled in there. And then, they asked about the details. I told them that a lot of people doubted your story because you locked your door, or could've been having sex in the toilet which resulted in the incident, or that your bf kicked out in self defence when he was carted out, which was why he was manhandled. I even told them he was unwell, but none of them thought it was wrong for a sickly man to go to a disco.

In the end, ALL - I repeat - ALL of them, maintained that violence was unnecessary, and started sharing stories about how many bouncers they've seen being rough etc.

At the end of the 'discussion', I told them that you were Chinese, and your boyfriend was a gwailo. I told them the bouncers were rumoured to be Malay and Indian.

ALL of them went, "Ahhhhh...." and nodded their heads. One said, "No wonderlah..."

Now tell me if that is not fucked up.

16 November, 2005 09:37  
Anonymous ty said...

jennifer,

that would also depend on the "story" you told your colleagues right? Same case as how julee told US about her story. Obviously if you tell the masses a one sided story they're gonna go "oooo ahhh so bad.. bouncers are bad. so whats for lunch?"

16 November, 2005 09:55  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

suprisingly the more comments ju-lee post on the blogsite the more uncovincing the story is.

16 November, 2005 10:44  
Anonymous Fox Mulder said...

"A door supervisor's licence costs £190 and is valid for three years. Two types of licence exist, though: one for front-line work and one for non front-line staff. The Security Industry Association, an independent body set up by the 2001 Act, talks of the change in law creating an 'extended police family' which aims to have a positive impact through:"

Let's not convert the 190 pounds to ringgit even.. do you kow how much a security guard makes? sure its a shit easy job if you see some of the old farts who sit at the banks.. but my uncle is one .. he's in his 50's and does the grave yard shift.. believe me.. if he could afford say RM190.00 for a license he wouldn't be a security guard..

On the other hand.. workers in general overseas have unions to protect them.. i worked in KFC here once and i was paid RM1.50 an hour.. i worked as a waiter in Australia.. (Proper) and i was making AUD$11.50 after taxes and well excluding tips la.. but you get the picture.. bear that in mind..

DOn't just ask.. Why can't we have it here.. you talk of a bigger picture.. so let me paint it for you.

In Malaysia, money talks.. you wanna make a change .. are you seriously so naive to believe that it can happen without money? money politics have tainted out culture and way of life..

Sure the establishments and employers can pay these 'licences' do you think they will? If they are required to, the Government is going to introduce even more licences.. even more payments they have to make.. you know.. just to get a liquor licence already takes alot la.

And if they do pay.. do you think going clubbing will be a cheap affair?

Fark.. most msians are damn 'kiam siap' when it comes to spending money.. we want the best thing for the lowest price.. wait a minute i am talking about the chinese. I am chinese.

How much is the cover charge at Zouk now? i donno but say RM15 la.. how much do you think they will increase the cover charge if they are required to ABIDE with regulations...

Don't believe me.. fuck my roti canai dude increased his roti telur to 1.60.. why? petrol increase.. like that also can increase! i mean .. ?? Ais kacang also increase in some places.. We are talking about ICE!.. whatever la.

Still.. the bigger picture is.. you wanna make things 'SO CALLED' right. Then lets talk numbers..

How much is it going to take to implement all these changes for the sake of a 'safer' clubbing environment..a safer clubbing environment.. come on..

If its one thing i know.. and i know.. i have the scars to prove it.. GENERALLY you will have problems in places with ALCOHOL! GIRLS IN SKIMPY CLOTHES and DRUNKS! DOn't say those nice wine bars la.. And sure you get beaten up in a mamak also.. but generally.. how safe do you want clubbing to be? MAy as well introduce a dress code while you re at it so that drunk guys don't hit on other people's gf right?

YOU WANT TO BE SAFE! i MEAN SAFE? Stay home, go to church, hang out in the cinema.. what ever it is .. the chances of something bad happening is muchhhh lower... What to do... sure you don't expect a bashing.. but come on.. you have to be ready to expect this. Fark.. someone could kill me when i step out on the road later, but its still safer here than in a club.

It's all about the money money money.. something alot of us could do more with..

I was a frequent clubber a long time ago.. and i have seen my share of shite and i have had altercations with bouncers as well.. none that disables me from closing my mouth la.. but yea.. and i kept going.. prepared and knowing that this kinda shite happens. DON'T SAY YOU DIDN'T THINK IT would HAPPEN!. WOULD YOU BE SURPRISED? I WOULDN;t, if you are.. then the government is doing a good job sheilding you from the truth..

Then again.. not many of us can handle the truth..

like this.. how true is it? lick my balls and call me salty.

16 November, 2005 11:02  
Anonymous Kl Clubber said...

i feel this blogger should introduce more concrete evidence rather than post irrelevant issues on here.
nothing was said or done after yr initial blog post.
nothing but beating around the bush.
u made very serious claims against a club. the onus is on u to prove it.
they way u put it to us, its as though zouk is guilty until proven innocent.
the burden lies on u to prove their guilt but up to now, nothing has been done by you to prove yr claim.
to all the sympathisers, supporters, doubters etc, remember...it is still innocent until proven guilty in our court of law. cases like this, its up to the plaintiff (ju lee) to prove their guilt. put things in perspective and all we have is a story. thats it.. A story .

16 November, 2005 11:14  
Anonymous investigator said...

I just don't buy bluffs. full stop.

16 November, 2005 11:30  
Anonymous TP said...

Hi jenni,


I agree with your comment. Ultimately. Beating people is against the law.

16 November, 2005 12:40  
Blogger Jennifer said...

Ty,

You completely missed the pointlah. In fact, you didn't even read it properly. Didn't I say I told them about the doubts? Tsk.

The point is, they were sympathetic up to the point when they heard that JuLee's bf is a gwailo. It was as if it all suddenly made sense, why the bouncers had been extra aggressive. I was ashamed to learn that my colleagues, who are truly nice people, can be prejudiced as well.

Even I have misplaced my anger and desire for justice at the expense of the real truth. But at this stage, a fortnight after the event, the real truth is lost. Who is telling the truth and who is not? Without real evidence, those of us who like mysteries will extrapolate with motive. Who has more to gain or more to lose? Obviously, the answer is Zouk. But this is all consequential and not a fair system of law to use.

For the rest of us, we will move on with our lives until the next time someone gets beaten up in a club (or in a mamak), our apathy growing silently except for the times we post in the comments section of a blog or in a forum.

Lessons learnt:

1. Don't lock the toilet door
2. Don't go to a club if you're sick
3. Don't go to a man's toilet in a club if you're a girl
4. Don't speak English in a police station
5. Don't physically lash out at a bouncer
6. Don't forget to take pictures of your wounds even if you're half dead
7. Don't blog about it

16 November, 2005 12:51  
Blogger extrinsic said...

A lot of people just jumped to the conclusion the incident happenned as she claimed - that is just simply naive and definitely not a smart move.

It is okay to sympathise, but wouldn't it smarter to find out the truth first before expressing your sympathy?

Even a charity begger on the street shows you some documentation that they are really from a charity organization. Just because they show me some pictures of the unfornate does mean they are real charity.

I was cautioned a radio station MYFM DJ, warned the public that we shouldn't give money to such beggers. The DJ announced any charity activity must be informed with the perbandaran of that town and has to be in a fixed premises.

Yet there are a lot of people spoiling them just out of "sympathy" without even bother to find out the truth.

"sympathy" is a weakness in human. Control your feelings and act rationally people. If the conmen or conwomen finds out its easy to con the public there will be more conmen.

There are a lot of conmen and conwomen out there. They even show you pictures and a few sad stories of the unfortunates and the address of the charity organization. But no name card and they operate at night. Still there are naive people believes them and give them money out of sympathy. Whether the money really goes to the needy or they put them in their own account, no body knows.

Its easier to verify if a charity begger is honest 'coz they come to you face to face. Trust me if he is REAL charity, he'll show you his IC and give you the contacts of the charity organization. I've done this so many times 'coz there are so many charity beggers out there you don't know who is conning.

As for Ju-Lee, I never demand any pictures from Ju-Lee because I think there's no point to. As far as I'm concerned, she is still a virtual person and not a real one.

Yes, I didn't sympathise her. How can I if I'm not sure of the incident?

Well, there are simple steps here for those who has doubt with her:

1. If you believe she is creating this blog for publicity and want to generate income out of it. Leave the site forever and don't come back. The less hit she got, the less chances she'll be able to generate income from the site.

2. There maybe other supporter who starts shooting you and each other to generate more hit. Again, there is no point to respond.

For her supporters:

You can keep supporting her out of your sympathy without knowing her real motives. That's your business.

This will be my last comment here.

16 November, 2005 13:00  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

still no law suit or report to michael chong one?

or the 4 chinese national that was stripped in sg buluh prison got more coverage?

ju lee and james, go ahead and see michael chong if all your claim is true.

16 November, 2005 13:12  
Anonymous Suzanne said...

right, i guess ju lee and james were just to blame for everything right. HOW DARE they think that someone with health problems could go clubbing like a 'normal' person. After all, he should just stay home like an invalid, and if he steps out of his house, it is justified that people may want to beat him up (apparently, he has a provocative back. at least, to the bouncers at Zouk, Incidentally, maybe they were provoked by his wallet in his back pocket or something).

And HOW DARE they think that worry about a loved one might take precedence over dumb procedures. I have gone into the gents for less than an emergency (ie to yell to a friend to hurry up), and that doesn't give anyone the right to beat me up. Yell, can lah, but whatever happened to the right to personal security.

HOW DARE ju lee and james think they had a right to a night out, unmolested. And as for their assumption that the police might actually be sympathetic and helpful, well that's just silly isn't it.

By the way, unlike all you cowards who posted shit anonymously, note that I'm putting my name. It's kind of sad that there are some people who love spewing venom and then hiding behind an 'Anonymous' mask.

16 November, 2005 13:14  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Fox Mulder - you're right lah. that's the way it is, we'd better stay indoors and be safe. But that's not the way it SHOULD be, so maybe not everyone is so willing to roll over and play dead. I don't know how much difference this blog is going to make, but I hope some lah.

And incidentally, let me just say this. I am a girl who studied in Australia, went clubbing on a weekly basis and I like to drink. Kind of a lot. So there were quite a few times that I picked a verbal fight with bouncers there (when I was drunk lah). Now this is not something I am proud of, but the fact is, they never roughhoused me, never even so much as pushed me. They were professional.

16 November, 2005 13:18  
Blogger Jennifer said...

People wonder why witnesses and victims withdraw further into anonymity. Who wants to say or do anything when all we get for speaking up is further ridicule and hurt?

We don't even have enoughfaith in our fellow men to lend a silent, sympathetic ear.

The irony will come when one day, you suffer a tragedy and nobody will sympathise or feel anything for you because you did not take any photos or because you got drunk or because you had made the mistake of getting a little physical.

Or because they remember your stance here in this blog on this day, about the fuility of sympathy. Or humanity.

Let those who are without sin cast the first stone.

16 November, 2005 13:46  
Anonymous DANNY said...

JENNIFER & SUZANNE,

I REPRESENT THE PEOPLE WHO DOUBT TO APOLOGISE TO ALL THE SYMPATHISERS.. WE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER...AFTER ALL IT WAS POSTED ON SOME BLOG ..SO IT MUST BE TRUE.. WHAT WERE WE THINKING!!


AFTER ALL, SHE GAVE SO MUCH DETAILS IN HER BLOG OF THE INCIDENT.. ITS BEYOND HUMAN TO MAKE UP SUCH A STORY!!...AGAIN WHAT WERE WE THINKING???

WE ALSO APOLOGISE FOR QUESTIONING THE ACCURACY OF HER STORY.. I MEAN , SHES A FEMALE & HER BF'S A SICK (WHITE)GUY.. AND THE AGGRESSORS ARE INDIANS AND MALAY BOUNCERS... SURELY, IT MUST HAVE HAPPENED...

WE R SORRY THAT WE DEMANDED EVIDENCE BEFORE WE LAY OUR SUPPORT BEHIND HER.. WE R SORRY THAT WE R QUESTIONING THE LACK OF PROOF & THE IRREGULARITIES OF HER STORY.. WHAT WERE WE THINKING? WE DONT NEED PROOF..AGAIN, ITS ON A BLOG, SO IT MUST BE TRUE.

I WILL BELIEVE JU LEE FROM NOW ON. I WILL BELIEVE THAT HER LUCK WAS SO BAD THT THE COMBINATION OF THE FOLLOWING EVENTS HAD TAKEN PLACE

1) HER BF PASSED OUT IN A TOILET, BUT HE COULD (WHILE PASSING OUT) SEND AN SMS TO HER ...BAD LUCK..SO PITIFUL

2) SHE LOCKED THE DOOR TO HELP HIM ( THIS ALSO WILL LEAD TO MORE BAD LUCK)

3) THE 2 OF THEM WERE BEATEN UP ..BUT TOO BAD COS THEY DONT HAVE MEDICAL RECORDS TO PROOF IT..BAD LUCK..

..ALSO BAD LUCK COS HER BF DECIDED TO KICK OUT OF SELF DEFENCE..WHEN ALL THE BOUNCER WANTED TO DO WAS TO PULL THEM OUT OF THE LOCKED TOILET... SIGHHH... BAD LUCK

4) POLICE WAS HARSH TO THEM...BAD LUCK.. PITY PITY PITY

5) PRESS WAS BIASED COS IT REPORTED A ONE SIDED STORY... BAD LUCK AGAIN...

WE BELIEVE HER NOW !! WE BELIEVE THAT THE ATTACK REALLY DID HAPPEN COS SHE PUT THE STORY ON A BLOG, AND PPL WHO SYMPATHISE WITH HER SAYS IT DID HAPPEN.... WE HAVE NO RIGHT TO ASK FOR EVIDENCE.

I MEAN, THE LEGAL SYSTEM OF THE WORLD SHOULD BE REVAMPED..COS HOW DARE THEY ASK 4 EVIDENCE ? THEY SHOULD TAKE THE WORD OF A POOR VICTIM... OR EVEN BETTER... USE A BLOG AS EVIDENCE ...

JU LEE, IM SORRY FOR DENYING YOU. U DONT NEED TO SHOW US ANY EVIDENCE. WE BELIEVE U .. AFTER ALL, ITS ON THE NET.. IT MUST BE TRUE.... I SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER... A WHITE GUY WILL NEVER BE AN AGGRESSOR.. UNLIKE THE DRUNK INDIAN & BRAINLESS MALAY BOUNCERS RITE???

16 November, 2005 14:32  
Anonymous APPARENTLY I AM BEN said...

To SUZANNE..

JACK SHIT! What are you? talking about hiding behind a mask.. if you re so .. unafraid to reveal yourself, say la your full name, house address.. work address .. phonenumber.. car number la..

I could say 'I am ben' and you wouldn't be able to tell also la.. Anonymous mask.. Shut your pie hole.. People like Jennifer.. i don't agree with what she says but she has her own blog.. i haven't checked it out.. at least that is not as anonymous as puttig 'suzanne' as your identity..

Woman.. if you re, please don't call people cowards until you furnish us with;

1. Your full name
2. IC number
3. Phone number
4. HOuse address

Just those will do. And before you say 'why should i? who are you to ask me?' shut your pie hole.. put up or shut up.. and so what if anonymous people leave such comments.. start a website.. with a proper login lo..

That just fumes me.

And yes, i don't want to leave my details here because people may come after me (Yes i am that important) and if someone left his/her phone number here.. hell i would be prankcalling already.

16 November, 2005 14:39  
Anonymous APPARENTLY I AM BEN said...

TO Danny,

Right on man.. i love a good serve of sarcasm.. you spelt it loud and clear.

Jennifer, your picture reminds me of warcraft.. or isit warcraft..

16 November, 2005 14:43  
Blogger Jennifer said...

Wow 'Danny'. It all makes total sense now that you're shouting. What were we thinking, taking the word of a blogger over a raving lunatic's.

:I

Ben: Nobody reads what I say anyway, much less agree with me, so it's cool. Yea I play World of Warcraft (boy, is this relevant).

16 November, 2005 14:55  
Anonymous no_identity_sorry said...

jeniffer, I don't think Danny was shouting nor a lunatic. His message was very clear. You can argue why u do not agree with him but why call people lunatic? You might be over sensitive and its people like you that fumes fights around the country.

16 November, 2005 15:08  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yawn ... this is getting so tiresome ... guys, do u see what this has made us do ... we're now pitting ourselves against each other with our barrage of opinions ... all becos of what, because some stupid girl n her bf made out in the toilet of zouk, got caught, allegedly got beaten, wrote about her so-called plight on this blog, got people to take sides or question what really transpired that night.

All i can say is Ju-Lee is full of shite! Look at her recent postings ... you should be writing about progress on ur case, not inferences to politicians, suicide bombings, terrorists and apes with uniforms. Get with the program already!

16 November, 2005 15:15  
Anonymous Commonsense said...

Until Zouk initiates a counter lawsuit to shut this blog down, people like Jennifer and Suzanne have as much right to believe JuLee as the rest of you have to disbelieve her. Common senselah people. You think it's wise to go to the police and sue a big establishment like Zouk if you have nothing? No need money ah?

The very least you can say for people like Jennifer and Suzanne etc is that they are the sort of people who would most likely help strangers in trouble. You might call them stupid but they are kind, nonetheless. And that is their choice. I respect that.

Just as much as it's your choice to ask a dying man on the street to provide evidence that he is in fact going to die, before driving him to the hospital. So if other people call you a cruel bastard then you just have to live with it. I also respect that.

To each his or her own I say. Only problem is if you're religious and might end up going to hell because you just want to be smart lol.

16 November, 2005 15:15  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jennifer sounds hawt..

hehe

16 November, 2005 15:22  
Blogger Jennifer said...

I'm a porky, foul-mouthed, lard-assed, totally disagreeable mother of two.

But I am hilarious.

Sorry to dash your fantasy, Mr A.

16 November, 2005 15:26  
Anonymous suzanne said...

To my fucking self,

I'm Suzanne. I apologise for putting up such a stupid statement earlier. We are all anonymous no matter what name we put up. That's why we can say things irresponsibly 'coz no one knows who I really am. Unless, like ben has said, you give your real name as printed in your IC and contacts. Thank you very much ben for pointing out. I am an asshole with no cunt. I retract all my words I said earlier.

If u use name (Other category) other people can use the same name to frame you. If u use anonymous its a bit difficult to frame 'coz there are so many. The best is create a blog account, you are still anonymous anyway. You people see the difference? Please don't ask stupid question anymore 'coz people can use whatever identity be it anonymous or whatever as allowed!

If I am suzanne, then I made my point. If I am not suzanne, then I'm the one who try to frame suzanne.

16 November, 2005 15:42  
Anonymous commonsense said...

I apologise to everyone. I am actually a newbie here and forgive me for my misbehave. Ignore my previous statement, I just want to play play with blogging and testing only.

16 November, 2005 15:55  
Blogger Jennifer said...

Enough already 'Ben'. Everyone knows it's you eydilah. Mr 'Fume this and that' with bad grammar.

hehe

16 November, 2005 16:00  
Anonymous jennifer said...

I am the brainless jennifer with boobs that hanged like a papaya. I'm brainless because I jumped to conclusion straight away....

Ben has been framed!

Hahaha hahahaha hahaha! This is fun!

16 November, 2005 16:10  
Anonymous APPARENTLY I AM BEN said...

FARK! haha

Seriously.. in all honesty i flame.. but i don't frame.. i am waiting for 'Suzanne to reply..'

So no.. the Suzanne posting was not by me.. i won't stoop.. that low.. i am responsible though for the

'Jennifer sounds hawt'.. i didn't have time to key in my nick before i clicked enter.

16 November, 2005 16:12  
Blogger Jennifer said...

But aiya, your comment doesn't hv my sexy pic!

Tsk tsk.

Enoughlah. So no life we all.

16 November, 2005 16:14  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And the real jennifer has that very cool warcraft pic.. not funny la framing people.. its lame.. engaging in a war of words in someone's blog.. nay comment space is low enough.. YEAP i am low :)

but not that low.

So please.. you wanna flame.. do it right .. don't frame.. its lame.. wow.. check out the rhymne.

Don't like me.. Rim me.

16 November, 2005 16:15  
Anonymous APPARENTLY I AM BEN said...

FLYING FARK!! AGAIN

The posting above is by me..

I always fill in the wrong box!

16 November, 2005 16:15  
Anonymous Ben.. i am dropping the apparent.. said...

Jenn you online ka?

hahaha

16 November, 2005 16:16  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

jennifer, you are not that brainless anyway. that's why I said blogger account is the best. I was just pointing out to people to stop asking people not to use anonymous. my apology and I will stop all this right now!

16 November, 2005 16:22  
Anonymous War of Zouk said...

Jennifer, do you know Eiswein. He oso WoW master. He play 24-7 non stop one...he claims to be a professional, the only professional in M'sia ... he oso say he the best, the man la.

We oso fed up listening to him brag everday. He got sack then he play this game.

16 November, 2005 16:33  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

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16 November, 2005 16:34  
Blogger Jennifer said...

I'm not an expertlah. Just a fan oni. Server Proudmoore nick Raewyn of Mamak Alliance guild.

Eh dont use this blog to talk about WoWlah.

Or porn! Pffff...

16 November, 2005 16:38  
Blogger josephine said...

hi..ju-lee...after viewing your blog..i went to zouk homepage..and made a feed back bout your incident..and i got a reply from the management in singapore..hope it can help..cause they will be doing sumthing to get u sum justice...

Hi Josephine,
we appreciate your feedback and bringing this to our attention. Zouk Kl will reply you directly as the case is being investigated .
This case is being handled by the police, hence we are consulting our lawyers to ensure our case is heard through the proper channels.

You will be responded to in due time, we appreciate your concern.
peace
Tracy Phillips
17 Jiak Kim Street
Singapore 169420
Tel: 65 67382988
fax: 65 7383988
website: www.zoukclub.com

i really hope justice is done for u n your guy

16 November, 2005 16:53  
Anonymous anti jennifer said...

good to know the case is handled by the police. cos we can argue till kingdom come as to who is right or wrong, its best left to the ppl who get paid to decide who was rite or wrong . let the courts decide.


and when they have decided, i just hope those pricks will stop whinning.
just like someone posted above that pl will side ju lee unless zouk initiates a counter lawsuit to shut this blog down, people like Jennifer and Suzanne have as much right to believe JuLee as the rest of you have to disbelieve her...

well what makes u think they are not considering that? maybe they are waiting for the police to finish investigations 1st..

16 November, 2005 17:20  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yelar kamu semua bukan main baik hati. budak kena lanyak kat jamban, u org boleh la tulis kat zouk la mintak keadilan.

Habis org mcm i kena maki hamun mcm mana. Banyak senang u org guna perkataan "retard" sini sana mcm tak endah org seperti kami yg mmg cacat. bagaikan kami sebagai bahan buangan.

Kami jugak berkhidmat utk negara ni, tau ... kami jugak mewakili negara.

Ade baiknyer kalau anda semua yg berpelajaran ni ingat sikit sebelum awak gunakan perkataan sebegitu utk maki org.

16 November, 2005 17:25  
Anonymous beavis said...

i hope ju lee gets thought a lesson get charged for ;

1- defaming a club to gain compensation

2- making a false police report

3- defaming the police and giving them a bad name

4- giving a false report to the press.

5- inciting racial tension by specifically highlighting the race to the bouncers

6- for putting up a stupid blog

7- for giving an avenue to the likes of suzanne & jeniffer to open their bung-hole

8- defaming the bouncers of the club

9- for giving an avenue to the likes of suzanne & jeniffer to open their bung-hole

10- for giving an avenue to the likes of suzanne & jeniffer to open their bung-hole

16 November, 2005 17:25  
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16 November, 2005 17:34  
Anonymous I hate flamers said...

seriously u cunts need a life hey, spam spam spam, flame flame flame.. very nice huh.. fucking losers

16 November, 2005 19:31  
Anonymous enuff said...

i think this shld be enuff..this blog shld jus stop here n wait for investigation to go..since ya blog it name as zoukabuse..pls write dwn wat happen that day or after n that is enuff..josephine had oridi help to make a feedback to zouk in singapore so i think this will bring more attn to them to get their reputation back in line..as for other irrlevant post bout wat our PM say..pls leave it out..its suppose to have ya zouk abuse thing up here n nt other irrlevant thing here...cause u may cause more umwanted commotion n ppl who r supporting u may jus go off cause if ya irrlevant post..

16 November, 2005 19:34  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

beavis..
'defaming the police and giving them a bad name'? please la. apparently you have never had any contact with the local cops before. even if you had, you probably were lucky enough to get a decent one (and there are not many)

16 November, 2005 19:40  
Anonymous AH SENG said...

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16 November, 2005 19:59  
Blogger josephine said...

seng u r funny dude

16 November, 2005 22:44  
Blogger Shayde said...

Whoa...This issue is spiralling out of control.

Was reading the many comments and frankly, the lack of pictures makes me wonder whether this really took place. But then, maybe Ju-Lee is in fact telling the truth.

Wouldnt know coz I wasnt there.

If its a true story Ju-Lee, then good luck in getting the justice you deserve.

If it isnt, then I feel sorry for you.

17 November, 2005 00:57  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I read all the comments and i think better i copy this comment from one of the anonymous than repeat.

Aaa shuddap la. You are all idiots. She is playing you for fools. I waste time read all the fan and flame posts. Only 2 people in this blog and elsewhere make sense. Read la people.

"""" Mowkob said...

I have read most of the comments posted thus far and I have read the blog twice and get Ju-lee's 'Version' of the story.

I use 'version' people, because in a situation like this there's always another side to a story. Please consider that.

Some of us here have rightly pointed out that you should always. . . always hear what the other side has to say.

In a situation like this, it's clearly a 'he say, i say, they say' situation.

And pardon me for saying. With the exception of those being objective, those of you who are generous with your sympathies must really be naive to wholly believe Ju-lee's version without considering what the other side has to say.

For those who are going to ask me to shut up, it's not that i don't too.. it just irks me when people are 'chui kong, lampa song' which translates to, mouth talk dick happy. And yes i am that free to be here and comment.

I will list my points for ease of reference.

1. Firstly, i am sick of people saying that the big establishments 'suck' and that they prey on the little people and what have you. Please. If you think it sucks, don't go there.. there are tons of other places to go like say, i don't know, church? Gee peeps. chill. Don't like it don't go. Save yourself the cover charge right? (if you re not paying, just hang out at a mamak lo.)

And yes, we have all heard from our friend, cousin, uncle, aunty about bouncers beating up people.

Please bear in mind that i have seen for myself, bouncers beating people up here in Malaysia and Australia. Why they were beating them up is non of my business.

2. Ju - lee, if your story is indeed true, you must understand with those who show dissent that reading your blog leaves many unanswered questions.

If you are trying to get your story across, no one should diss you, they made a choice to read it so put up or shut up.

But if you re trying to make a point, which i think you are, then please do understand that most people need more concrete evidence.

'Substantiation' is the word i believe used by another person here. Call me insensitive, but its true.

3. I am not even going to go into the legal aspects of this matter, which i would gladly analyze. It just boils down to the fact there is nothing here that will allow a lawyer to form an opinion.

4. Know that i am not here to post a an opinion, nor i am not here to defend Zouk. (I don't go clubbing anymore)

Know that i am not against Ju-lee, or that i believe/don't believe in her story. Guys until there's more, really, just observe. It takes two people to tango man. It really does.

And yes, like i said above, i have the darn time on this Sunday night to write about this.

What i am hoping gets across is, people, don't take things just on face value, there's always another side to the matter. Considering both sides is the smart thing to do.

And that's what being a Malaysian is all about.

13 November, 2005 22:47 """"
Other one from outside link. I put my favourite here. The rest you go read at http://forums.rojakpot.com/showthread.php?t=18568&page=3
""""Try this - create a blog stating that an Indian gang beat you up because you, a Chinese kid, was trying to court an Indian girl. Claim in your blog that they told you pure Indian blood should not be sullied by a Chinese pig. Throw in some racial slurs. Everyone loves a scandalous story like that. Next thing you know - the blog is as famous as Ju-Lee's blog with tons of people condemning the Indians.

Heck, if you throw in a sob story of how you, a sickly kid with haemolytic anaemia, had to fight off 5 burly Indians shouting Tamil obscenities at you before they stomped and broke your leg, you may even see Chinese boys going on a riot and bashing up innocent Indians.

The point of this story is.. well, on the Internet, any Tom, Dick or Harry can concoct any story they like. Taking time to create a blog or any story doesn't make it any more truthful than the latest gossip you heard from your friend, who heard from his friend's friend's friend.

Humans are very easily moved by words. As Hitler once said, the bigger the lie, the easier to fool the people. As you have seen, no matter how questions are raised about the validity of the various claims she has made, her supporters remained unfazed. They will support her even if the Supreme Court decides that she was lying all the time. Vice versa for those who disbelieve her.

IMHO, even she doesn't really know the truth anymore. She has hammered her side of the story into her psyche, forever and ever. The ONLY impartial witness would be a video recording of the entire event. That is something that can never be fooled by human emotion or words. """"
Can see some Zouk members are here. All shaddap la..

17 November, 2005 15:05  

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