Tuesday, November 15, 2005

Terrorists and Abuse

An inspiring piece of advice from the PM.

I guess the moral of the story is, violence is evil.

To quote the PM, those who choose the path of violence are a loss to the nation.

I think you don't have to strap bombs to yourself or end up on BBC News to be a terrorist. If you have no inkling of harming the next person, you're one.... A terrorist, and a lost cause. Countries who allow terrorists are labelled terrorist nations. What about establishments that allow for violence towards patrons?

Personally I think those who condone violence are in the same boat. If you don't believe there's anything wrong with it, the violence goes on.

The only fighting should be done to stop this kind of thing, and personally I'm a big fan of Gandhi's passive approach to things.

I truly believe, Malaysia Boleh.

///ju-lee

edit: A lot of people don't seem to be drawing the inference. I am trying to say do not talk about planes when you can't cycle. We have a problem on a grassroot level. The educted who blow themselves up are the minority and the least to worry about, we have cavemen running amok beating women and sick men up around the corner from the twin towers.

Look the situation is as such. We are busy condemning only the worst kind of violence possible, but the rest of it is still going on on an albeit regular basis. In fact when I told my story I now find myself subject to attempted bullying and petty comments. Apparently certain Malaysians think it's no big deal to "ask for it and be bashed up". Other Malaysians are now standing up against Malaysians who want to fight their best to end violence.

What's the point of trying to trim the top of the tree when your roots are tainted? The lack of education needs to be eradicated.

Hope that explains more.

Read!
///Z.a

http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2005/11/14/nation/20051114095546&sec=nation


Abdullah: Terrorism not the path to follow

News Update by MAZWIN NIK ANIS of The Star

PUTRAJAYA: Terrorism should not be the path for one to follow, Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi told civil servants here today.

The Prime Minister described bomb maker Dr Azahari Husin as a “loss” and said he was a good lecturer and an academician of “high quality”.

“However, he chose a path that had brought destruction to himself. Terrorism cannot be the path for us to follow.

“Allah abhors violence and those who cause destruction and chaos to places where development has taken place. We must take heed of this,” he said at the monthly Prime Minister’s Department gathering.

Dr Azahari was killed in a shoot-out with the Indonesian police in Malang, south Surabaya on Nov 9. The father of two was a lecturer with Universiti Teknologi Malaysia in Skudai, Johor.

71 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

What has that article got to do with your case? Please dont bring in the PM into your small and non-existent affairs. That article is about terrorist and terrorist do not equal bouncers.

You are really so melodramatic. Honestly, alot of people out there are symphatetic to your cause but at the end of the day they will not help you if you need them to. Maybe some of your friends.

Try not to make it too big. It's really embarassing. Especially now that u r quoating from the prime minister.

15 November, 2005 03:28  
Blogger zouk.abuse said...

It takes just a little bit of intelligence to draw inferences and connect the dots. Usually less than half a brain would do :)

Besides, you don't have to take advice at face value. At the end of the day good advice is applicable across the board. If I tell you not to steal jam you can assume I'm advising you not to steal shoes as well.

And I doubt the PM would be proud of your intolerance and tone. Diplomacy is his job afterall and you don't seem to good at it ;)

///zouk abuse

15 November, 2005 03:34  
Anonymous azrul said...

Violence in any form is simply an act unbecoming. Nobody deserves to be hit-molested-battered or abused, be it by the hands of terrorist bombers or "security" personnel or even next-of-kin.

Its amazing that so much skepticism exist based on some of the readers comments on this blog pertaining to the abuse suffered by the couple. Have malaysians turned into such skeptical creatures or are we just hiding under a shell or prefer to sit on a fence?

Organisations such as clubs etc, have had a steady reputation for being far from kosher when it comes to dealing with the public. Personally i have faced security personnel at the club in the past and their "tactics" in dealing with the public are nothing short of agressive.

There are numerous others that have faced some form of abuse at zouk, though they have chosen to remain anonymous and not pursue the matter. Perhaps they assume it as a "normal“ occurence in clubs and assume violence is a classic solution to dealing with patrons.

In this case, obviously the damage is done. Two people have been battered by their security personnel and they (zouk) assume that they have every right to dispense their form of enforcement as judge, jury and executioner. This is clearly unacceptable. Even in a court of law, the concept of "self-defense" provides a margin of reasonableness when one choses to protect ones person, a person in your company or your property. What happened at zouk had nothing to do with self defence, it was pure heavy-handedness and it resulted in the injury of two people to the point of them requiring hospital treatment.

The clubs response to the incident is obviously a purely a defensive stance toward their own negligence and improper conduct. They have already had their share of legal tangles with the law and that alone reflects on their lack of integrity.

its time to show our support for our own values as humans. violence is unacceptable in any form. zouk will and should bear full responsibility for their actions and if its any consolation, either they provide compensation for the pain n suffering faced by the couple and face the legal consequences for their actions or they should pack up n head back to the where they came from. malaysians dont welcome violence here.

15 November, 2005 04:03  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ok, Ju-lee, now you're being the overdramatic queen you're known to be. This post is totally unnecessary.

15 November, 2005 07:45  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

you and PM is totally differ.

you make out in the toilet just admit it.

15 November, 2005 08:37  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i think she's more like George W Bush rather than our PM.

too many doubts on her talkings, too many conspiracy, no proof. agree?

15 November, 2005 08:41  
Anonymous Min said...

Even if she did lie about making out in the toilet, she still got battered. That is the main points my friends. This violent bashing, not if she did or did not make out.

15 November, 2005 09:20  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

heck if she can li bout making out, she might be lying of the whole incident of violent bashing.

15 November, 2005 09:32  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

if she did lie abt the toilet then nothing stops her from lying abt her pitiful sick bf, her bf's hard kick was probably a hard one, and the bouncers probably were acting in self dewfence since her bf was the 1st aggressor.
she also admitted tht she blown things out of proportion to get things moving. so she had lied once, what makes u think she wont loie again?

15 November, 2005 09:46  
Anonymous Buayloti said...

http://forums.hardwarezone.com/showthread.php?t=1151590

The story full of imagination.
If the 4 bouncers really hit her, she still got life and talk crap here ?
Stupid people just cannot admit their fault and blame on other instead.

15 November, 2005 09:48  
Anonymous The Truth, U do not speak said...

This is so obvious. This couple have trumped up a story to either gain compensation out of their on fault, or to get back at zouk cos they were caught doing something they shouldnt hv done.

Think in perspective,

1) the papers mentioned tht the female involved kept changing her story, yet she has said nothing abt this to defend herself.

2) The "sick fiance" story is just a tactic to gain sympathy. I mean, he has black out problems and apparently a hole in his heart. Yet they decided to go to a disco filled with patrons and ciggy smoke and drink whisky...hmmm??

3) Out of the thousand patrons there, not one has came to speak up for yr fiance and U. Not even one credible eye witness ...yr clubbing buddie doesnt count la.. what u think we r stoopid??

4) You r brave enough to go to the press, to make police reports and to seek legal assistance, yet u cant substantiate yr claims of injury by taking pics of yrself. many ppl have camera HP's .. u can snap yr back , yet u cant snap yr face??????

5)I am not denying tht the attack did happen, i am denying yr explanation. After all you did admit tht u were in the male oilet cubicle...u also admitted tht yr fiance did kick out at the bouncer... A drunk guy , in and out of consciousness kicking at the bouncer after he had caught u and him in a cubicle... what do u expect? sounds like ur bf is the 1st aggressor....

6) I wonder how ppl can believe u after in yr words "Sadly you have to blow things out of proportion in the press and generate a public interest before things are done. "

so which part of blown out then? the part whr they assaulted u ?
the part where yr bf is a sick man? or the part that u werent making out in the toilet? What was blown out of proportion?

U try to prey on ppls sympathy. try to shame the club. u r a gold digger.

15 November, 2005 09:49  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's obvious all you trolling cunts leaving rude, judgemental comments have nothing better to do with your lives. Your life truly must be so insignificant that you have to go on the attack on someone who absolutely has done nothing to harm you or insult you just to make yourself feel better.
Who the hell are you people to judge what actually happened in the toilet? It's not even the job of the police, rather their job is to investigate and refer the case file to the DPP who in turn decides whether or not to charge the bouncers involved. Just because you are on the internet you decide that "oh i have freedom of speech", news for you dumbasses, freedom of speech comes with responsibility, and your comments are definitely irresponsible comments. Thankfully Ms. Ju Lee doesn't seem to be disturbed by your sad, sad comments. and btw i do know two guys who were bashed up so badly in Zouk that one had to go for cosmetic surgery, the bouncers in Zouk are either gang members of gang 36 or well supported by them. I've good information of that fact so kiss my ass trolls.

15 November, 2005 10:50  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You are full of crap, your mouth cant stop crapping, stop your shit and get a life. I think you simply lack of attention in life; that is also why u get a white fiancee. Wanna feel special is it?
Anyway your comments are also very personal, shame on you.......

15 November, 2005 10:53  
Blogger extrinsic said...

There is one point I noticed the story of Dr Azahari is related to her case. I wonders why she posted this news when it does not actually benefit her stands.

There is something the news tells us we didn't noticed,

Violence has nothing to do with education or how educated you are. Dr Azahari was a lecturer with UTM, a highly educated and trained person and yet he chose violence and terrorism.

Does that mean the petition that requires educated and trained bouncers doesn't actually solve the problem?

Just some food for thought!

15 November, 2005 11:05  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Buayloti, hardwarezone as usual is crap. Not much of a tech forum, even worse when discussing this topic. Typical Singaporeans.
Only tech forum that make logic on this thread is rojakpot http://forums.rojakpot.com/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=18568 Go see how they discuss. Put singaporeans to shame.

15 November, 2005 11:17  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pathetic publicity-grabbing cunt! Just becos u n ur bf made out in the toilet and got caught, u bringing the world's issues in to justify urself.

Hey get into ur head, admittedly the bouncers were wrong to thrash you (if they did as u allegedly accuse them) but rules are there. If u didn't break them, then this wouldn't happen. But since you risked flouting the law, you have to deal with repercussions, albeit a little extreme.

Just don't whitewash the fact that you and your bf had no regard for Zouk's rules and you're now camouflaging that with your woeful "we were beaten to a pulp" scenario.

Yes, we have also all concluded that it is wrong of Zouk and the bouncers to indulge violence on their patrons, if the alleged incident did happen.

But for god's sakes, do stop being so self-righteous. get off your high horse. Stop spouting reasons for condemning the state of our judiciary, enforcement and politics when you of all people should know breaking the law has its downside.

Look, I know certain quarters are already sorry for you. I was too, but the more I think of it, the more this is looking pathetic.

Ever heard of the term "quit while you are ahead"?!

15 November, 2005 12:15  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

seems like the scenario of good old uncle george w bush giving out reasons accusing iraq have WMD so that ppl belive it then they go invade ppl's place.

15 November, 2005 12:23  
Anonymous violence!=terrorists but terrorists=violence said...

Ju-Lee,

It is not fair of you to relate the bouncers that hurt you to terrorists. If you've got what you wanted, that's enough! Stop bitching anymore.

They are just a few big guys that resorted to violence against you and your bf. They are wrong but they are not terrorists.

Do you know what is a terrorist in the first place? If you don't please find out from the experts here:
http://cfrterrorism.org/terrorism/introduction.html

If the bouncers hurt other people (the innocence) to threaten both of you to leave zouk, then they are terrorist.

If the bouncers demanded that if both of you do not leave the place in five minutes time, they will bashed your other friends, then they are terrorists.

They asked both of you to leave, you guys resisted, they bashed you guys, you can call them violent bastards, not terrorists!

More importantly, terrorists hurt the innocents for gains on politics and religion ends, you don't want ISA to lock the bouncers up. Get it???

15 November, 2005 13:21  
Anonymous Skeevybob said...

Omg. Are the bouncers gonna go jihad on us ? =P

15 November, 2005 14:32  
Anonymous Mowcob said...

To the anonymous comment about George Bush. Right you are man.

George Bush called earlier to ask all of those generous with their sympathies to jump on his band wagon.. he needs the support to justify the war on Iraq.

This is hilarious. I can't wait to see how this debacle concludes.

Those of you who seem so naive.. are pointing at the bouncers beating ju-lee and her dude up.. and even if they did make out what have you that they shouldn have been beaten up. Puhlease!!

To borrow the words of Ju-lee, why trim the tree when the roots are tainted.

ARE YOU SYMPATHETIC PEOPLE so CERTAIN that this whole thing even happened? Bloody. COnsider that. Indeed! let's get to the root. DID IT EVEN HAPPEN?

Let's not even start to talk about Haloween, or zouk, or sick bf's or what happened in the toilet even!

YOu re missing the first step already by condemning the bouncers and Zouk so quickly!

I am glad some of you don't decide the fate of an accused in a murder trial. That would be a farce!

PLease.. expand your minds abit.. God gave you a brain.. think.

Any monkey can churn out words but it takes an idiot to take the words on face value.

As ju-lee has also rightly pointed out.. some people talk about planes when they can't even cycle (or something like that.) TAKE NOTE OF THAT!

This is not a flame. Think of this as a wake up call.

p.s TO Ju- lee, you re good with your words, i don't think there's a need to borrow them from them PM.
(When i said that, i smiled.)

Good day y'all

15 November, 2005 14:37  
Anonymous X- Zouk barman said...

I have chosen not to say anything for fear of being pelted etc.

But i have since resigned from Zouk and i now feel the need to get the truth across.

Fellow readers, the truth must be known.

I work in the bar on most weekends and when we are short of staff i go round to clean up etc.

Zouk as usual, was busy, there were people in very odd and some in very nice costumes.

Unknown to most of you we have about 40 circuit camera's inside. That's right inside the place itself.

I have asked Mr.X (name left out for obvious reasons)a colleague of mine, who has access to these recordings. And I called him up just last week to talk and this topic cropped up during our conversation.

this is how our conversation regarding this matter went.

me: Have you heard about this zouk abuse thing?

X: I have heard about it la. Some blog right?

me: Yeap. Apparently malay mail carried it a few weeks ago.

X: Malay mail? u joking ah. The would report a big foot sighting in Klang if they have to la.

Laughter.

me: Ei, we have got camera's right?

X: Yeap. 40 inside i think.

me: Do they record? or are they just for viewing purposes

X: Can't tell you la friend.

me: Just curious.

...

me: So.. what do you know?

X: There's nothing to be known la.

me: Ey, come on la. i know people get beaten up and crap but how true is this thing la?

X: *sigh. Look la friend, don't worry about it. The less you know also do you no harm. Leave it to management.

me: Sorry la. Kepo mah. Just want to know if it's true or not, cause there are people really slamming us la wei (Was still working at the time)

X: *Sigh. Look (name left out for obvious reasons) I was watching the floor that night. Me and (name left out for obvious reasons) were on the roll for the grave yard shift.

me: Grave yard? oh you mean 10.30 onwards la.

X: Yeap. And we saw nothing of the sort la.

me: ??

X: There were some pushing around, but like usual la. BOuncers beating up people? YOu think our bouncers have enough time ka? They have enough problems with the drunk people la, what more got time go to check the toilets?

me: Serious? so all bullshit la?

X: You think about it la. You saw anything or not that night?

me: I was behind the bar la. Busy somemore, and then i was walkng around.. but usual ..

X: Precisely.

FOr all of you who bothered to read till this far, are you going to start flaming ju-lee now?

Cause i just spent the last 10 minutes churning out this bullshit that i am convinced that i wanna start my own CSI series.

DON'T EVEN START TO FLAME ME. Think about it. If i started a blog just like 'ju-lee' did. Wouldn't it be the same thing?

If you believed me even for a second then i would be correct, but that would also mean that you' re a maggot. A naive one at that.

Some may even believe me if i said i created this blog, but my nickname wouldn't come out highlighted.. and i am too lazy to actually to that.

So PLEASE! .. THINK! before you .. erm.. typE!

15 November, 2005 15:01  
Blogger Tall^Frog © said...

Well, I hope the people who victimised the couple realise that they can run, but they cannot hide.

Good luck for the proceedings!!!

15 November, 2005 15:06  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hmmm wonder if we can find those cam recordings on the internet...hmmm~~

sure sell like hotcakes in pasar malam.

15 November, 2005 16:31  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yes i too was assaulted in a club with my GF.

i have one eye, lung cancer and only one testicle. i went into the toilet to take a piss but caught some stones. In terrible pain i sms-ed my gf who ran to my aid. as she was trying to press the stone out some bouncer saw us doing it and proceeded to throw us out. i resisted because i hadn't zipped up my pants and i accidentally touched the bouncers balls.. they whacked me bad.

i just kept quiet all this while.. i shud report the case. thanks julee for giving me the strength and courage. i owe u big time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

15 November, 2005 16:48  
Anonymous roflmao said...

omg this blog is so f**king amusing to read! LOL at pervs who cant wait a room.

15 November, 2005 17:04  
Anonymous roflmao said...

to get a room*

15 November, 2005 17:05  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wonder how their threesome session went.

15 November, 2005 17:09  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

By no stretch of imagination is the article relevant. Try again.

15 November, 2005 17:15  
Anonymous kl said...

A friend of mine had similar incident too. After reading this, he told me his story and asked me to write this...

He is disabled (no arms) who lives on a wheelchair with kidney disorders. He has a very loving and caring girlfriend. It was his birthday. He told his girlfriend with much hopes, "I wish I can party like everybody else (sigh!)". Out of sympathy and because she love him so much, she didn't want to see him upset. She decided to celebrate his birthday at a night spot just to make his day.

It turned out to be the worst day in his life he'll never forget!

After two drinks of plain water, he wanted to pee because he felt like it was leaking. Without arms someone had to do it for him. His girl friend (soon to be married) helped him. Thank goodness the club has a toilet for the disabled. Both of them went in, of course they had to lock the door, it's only common sense. He cannot stand anymore because its already leaking a bit, and he makes noises like "ah.. uh..arrh...uh..." when she is unzipping for him. Finally, the unzipped were done. He peed and felt relieved, said with a final "aaarrghhhh... what a relieve!"

The nightmare begins!

Out of a sudden, someone was banging the toilet door and shouting at them. He demanded they immediately come out of the toilet. "Hey you little hore, don't do funny business in there! I heard cumm sound!" Out of panic, he lost balance and fell to the floor face down. But she cannot open the door yet because he said his zip is still open and the thing is hanging out like dildo. She has to flip him face up first in order to zip back. This took some time but the bouncer thought they were still having fun and don't want to come out.

The real violence began!

The bouncer climbed over and saw the girl holding his thingy while trying to zip. She actually wanted to put that thingy back into his pants and zip. The bouncer got very upset, climbed in and whacked the poor guy. His girlfriend was trying very hard to pull the big guy off, but he was too strong. She screamed "Help! Help!". No one responded.

The bouncer warned them. "Get out now and don't let me see you trouble makers again." Don't have any friends and helpless, they quitely left without making any noise. He and her girlfriend still remembers the scars in their broken hearts in malaysia's security.

15 November, 2005 17:45  
Anonymous Tracy Philips said...

Why are you losers slamming her?

The fact to the matter is. She shouldn't have been beat up in regardless of whether she was looking for trouble or not.

15 November, 2005 18:36  
Anonymous Proud and deservedly so said...

Mental man..

I posted the X-Zouk barman above.. and i just have this to add..

Tracy philips. . . are you certain that she was beaten up? Are you even certain 'ju - lee' exists? look at the papers.. even the just refer to her as 'ju-lee' thats like madonna man..

Please. Don't even say she shouldn be beaten up until you re SURE she was beaten up. Like this dude sed.

The only people.. QUALIFIED TO BACK JU LEE UP are the PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY SAW ALL THIS SHITE HAPPEN!

SO EVERYONE ELSE WHO DIDN'T SEE IT but are slamming Zouk and bouncers (bear in mind i don't like Zouk, so i don't GO!) ARE IDIOTS! SO SHUT YOUR PIE HOLES! VIOLENce smiolence.. kanne..

HOW UNFAIR CAN YOU BE? OH just because ZOuk are a club that makes them the big bad establishment? and the bouncers who work there are alleged 'brutes' everyone else can slam them la? WTF! YOU ALL NEED TO CHECK INTO TANJUNG RAMBUTAN AND MAYBe get reaquainted with the word 'nuetral!'

NO WONDER CON ARTISTS ARE DOING SO WELL!..

To Those who are neutral.. i salute you.. you re true msians. The rest of you are just. . . i can't even bring myself to say it.

*phew that made my day.

15 November, 2005 18:55  
Anonymous Seniman Agung said...

La. . la. . la. . la. . la. . la. . la ....
.
Pok Pok Pok Bujang lapok
Ada mancis tak ada rokok
Jalan jauh tersenggok-senggok
Tumit melecet hai lutut terbengkok
.
Pok Pok Pok Bujang lapok
Poket kosong hai penuh habuk
Tak da nasi pakai cencaluk
Sampai kini terlupa cebok
.
Jalan yang mana hai tolonglah tunjuk
Jalan lurus, ai, jalan belok-belok
Aku dah penat, terbatuk-batuk
Bau asem Hai ketiak siapa busuk
.
La. . la. . la. . la. . la. . la. . la. . la.
.
Pok Pok Pok Bujang lapok
Kena bantai tulang rusuk
Jalan senget terhangguk-hangguk
Jumpa doktor tampal koyok

15 November, 2005 19:31  
Anonymous apek said...

kakakaka ... tampal koyok kat bf lu la, juli. Kes selesai kakakaka. syabas seniman agung.

15 November, 2005 19:35  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To all those out there, just try to put yourself in her shoes and see how you feel.

No one deserves to be hit, especially by bouncers of clubs.

If she had connections with triads I am sure this case would have been solved immediately by a huge sum of funds being transfered to her and an apology given without hesitation.

She would also be accorded VVIP status.

I am sure many of you would know what I am saying and may know of incidences such as above solved.

15 November, 2005 20:19  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

wah piang eh....now this issue is becoming political??? soon we gonna have a civil war just cos someone got bashed up in Zouk (thought the bashing up is uncalled for, i dun think her side of the story really adds up).

anyway, now Singaporeans start talking about not coming to visit Malaysia cos of you!
If they don't come? then who else are we gonna skim tourist dollars from? What am I going to eat? NBCBKNN!!!!

Do us a favour. if you weren't 'entirely' in the wrong, then your justification of your actions end here. If you were totally innocent, then dun go quoting the PM on such a micro issue la! i'm amazed at your level of intelligence!

15 November, 2005 21:56  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

man...that one testicle dude story was hilarious! Gosh....in fact this whole blog is fucken funny! i'm so gonna get my friends to read this and have a good laugh!

but oh dear, that'd mean we are insensitive heartless fucks right?! but hey, in these days, better to be insensitive than to be dumb and have your sympathies taken advantage of.

15 November, 2005 22:05  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey I was there in the toilet! and I can prove that this Sarong party girl and her white bf really exist!
In fact, i really enjoyed the threesome in the cubicle with them. But i escaped the bouncers' whacking cos i crawled under the cubicle dividers to another cubicle before the Ju-On chick opened the door. :)

15 November, 2005 22:07  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i think it's time for clubs to place CCTV in the washrooms.....and cubicles too! Then not only can the club disprove or prove Ju-Lee's incident, they can also make money from posting the videos onto websites like www.isawwhatyoudidinthetoilet.com!!!
Maybe you'll be more believable that way, Ju-LEeeeeee

15 November, 2005 22:10  
Anonymous sasha_25 said...

I have a new hobby recently after my friend posted this blog's url on Friendster, and that's reading this blog and its comments. Personally, I don't really buy Ju Lee's story. But I don't justify that the bouncers were right in whacking her. However, it still provides an interesting and sometimes funny read (regarding the comments) which I must say is much more educating than my previous hobby (wanking). In addition, I get to improve on my creativity skill on story-telling!

Good Luck on your case against Zouk, cos you're really gonna need it!

15 November, 2005 22:40  
Anonymous Neutral said...

I'm not quite sure ultimately what is the main purpose of this site? sure, u get sympathetic support, u would probably have known that (useless) criticism comes along with that as well.

At the end of the day, the issue here, lies between two parties, perhaps where miscommunication took place, which led to a very disheartening and traumatising experience.

I'd say, both parties might have crossed the lines. Hence, if you've got evidence - good for u. If not, don't create anymore waves around town.

Remember that after a few months (heck, even maybe next week), people will forget about this whole incident and get on with their lives. I was there last weekend at Zouk - that place was rocking hard and (still) packed like sardines.

Your kindness to share your story with us is deemed thoughtful by many. But really, what else is NEW about these stereotypical view on bouncers anyway? Readers of this site will go 'yea? oh no! shit that didnt happen?! these idiots should be shot dead!! but oh well...'

And then? What?

Just get the lawsuits over and done with. stop the rambling. stop the site. move on with ur life. and leave it all behind. ok?

Things can only get better. unless u WANT to make it worse.

16 November, 2005 00:07  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Vaffanculo a Lei, la sua moglie, e' la sua madre. Lei e' un cafone stronzo. Io non mangio in questo merdaio! Vada via in culo!

16 November, 2005 00:53  
Anonymous Dr Watson said...

yeah man i so agree with neutral's comments.

shit happens.

you won't win a pulitzer with these ramblings.

it's kinda like, 'who's REALLY gonna give a shit about it?'

Perhaps only the gullible ones who are really taken in by your story (and i damn sure hope there aren't many of them in Malaysia).

Obvious lack of evidence.

16 November, 2005 01:09  
Anonymous fart3r said...

Wow lotsa insensitive comments here. To all you jocks out there, you better be ashamed of yourselves for bashing a girl on the internet. Whatever the true story may be it is without a doubt she had went thru hell that day.. A girl getting beaten up for whatever reason is a nono. I sincerely hope everything goes well Ju-lee and may justice serve you justly. Oh and I hope your boyfriend James is getting better too. Take care. Keep us updated :)


P.S. Do you asswipes expect her to pick up a camera (or cameraphone, whatever) and take photos when she's hurt and bleeding all over while her boyfriend is laying unconscious on the ground? Think about that before you make retarded requests for photos.

16 November, 2005 01:39  
Anonymous fart3r said...

Ah one more thing, why the hell do you ppl need evidence to sympathize?

Please be more considerate to her feelings, even if the story wasn't 100% true, the bottom line is she got beaten up. At least feel bad for that assholes. I hope someday you morons who request for photos get beaten up and no one believes your story. Yeah, I'll pray every damn night for that to happen, I swear. Bastards.

16 November, 2005 01:55  
Anonymous fart3r said...

Ah one more thing, why the hell do you ppl need evidence to sympathize?

Please be more considerate to her feelings, even if the story wasn't 100% true, the bottom line is she got beaten up. At least feel bad for that assholes. I hope someday you morons who request for photos get beaten up and no one believes your story. Yeah, I'll pray every damn night for that to happen, I swear. Bastards.

16 November, 2005 01:56  
Anonymous Confused :S said...

this post is just going too far...
i mean, just keep it simple hey. matter of fact is, you got bashed up and that's wrong.

Then now this links to terrorism and condoning violence (i still don't get how your edit actually relates to what you originally posted). Maybe I don't understand cos I don't have a PhD in english.

I dunno about the others, but I sure am hell confused with Ju Lee's cause right now!

16 November, 2005 02:03  
Anonymous Estherie said...

fart3r: judging from your referencing to a**holes and a**wipes, if you have a thing for anal sex, then please visit www.analsexyes.com . We, as sympathisers of Ju Lee's plight, do not need to stoop to name-calling.

16 November, 2005 02:13  
Anonymous pj said...

if you don't want to listen to negative comments, don't come here

if this blog is only informational, disable all comments

if others do not want to get ambulance for you, call the ambulance yourself with your own handphone!

16 November, 2005 02:56  
Anonymous Denny Filth said...



extrinsic said:

Violence has nothing to do with education or how educated you are. Dr Azahari was a lecturer with UTM, a highly educated and trained person and yet he chose violence and terrorism.


What? With all the biased policies in university admissions and hiring and promotion of faculty members.....one with an IQ of a fruit fly could have got into UTM as a student or a faculty member.

[ducks for cover]

Maybe if not for silly policies, Azahari might be picking coconuts for a living in his village today....and would not have undeservedly gained the knowledge he would evetually use to harm others.

16 November, 2005 03:03  
Blogger extrinsic said...

Well, that's what the PM said, not me!

"The Prime Minister described bomb maker Dr Azahari Husin as a “loss” and said he was a good lecturer and an academician of “high quality”"

By the way, how sure are you Dr Azahari did not get a good SPM or STPM results? Are you saying all malays are stupid? I dare to challenge you he is not one of the low scorers.

16 November, 2005 03:11  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good luck Ju Lee!


I'm kidding

16 November, 2005 03:53  
Anonymous Denny Filth said...


extrinsic said:

By the way, how sure are you Dr Azahari did not get a good SPM or STPM results? Are you saying all malays are stupid? I dare to challenge you he is not one of the low scorers.


Nope...I'm not saying all Malays are stupid. Neither is it my personal belief that they are any better or worse than anyone else. It's the policies that make them all look stupid.

SPM/STPM means shit if you're supposedly an academician of “high quality”. If you want to challenge me on Azahari's being a top scorer or not being dismissed as a fuck up of the national pro-dumbass policy, then find some scholarly work of his in top-quality peer-reviewed journals.

I'm sure you're more likely to find his ramblings on some obscure Islamist website than in any quality journal.

16 November, 2005 08:34  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

fart3r >>> she didn't get beaten up. they never touched her. remember she admitted to making that up to get the cops' attention and then changed her story later. (if i were the office on duty i would also ignore her).

if you want to defend her, first know what you are defending anyway. or at least find out why sentiments are going against her.

16 November, 2005 08:46  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is what i think .. she wants to start up a blog and wants to make a living out of her blog. Hence, she post wot she did and to allow comments on it. So, she can demonstrate the number of hits on it. So, don't be surprised if you see a counter popping up anytime soon LOL

Look, we are all not denying wot has happened to you, Ju-Lee but get a grip.

You're sounding less credible by the day!

16 November, 2005 10:48  
Blogger extrinsic said...

so denny tell me, do you think getting a high qualified or educated bouncers will solve the problem? that's the whole point of my comment anyway.

16 November, 2005 11:19  
Anonymous ZZTOP said...

WHY DO PEOPLE WHO DOUBT ARE LABELLED INSENSITIVE?

TO BE SENSITIVE, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE IT REALLY HAPPENED.

ARE THE SYMPATHISERS WHO ARE SO PISSED WITH THE DOUBTER SO SURE THAT THE WHOLE THING DID HAPPEN?

WHATS WRONG WITH ASKING FOR EVIDENCE? FART3R, U SEEMED PISSED THAT PPL DOUBT HER AND U SEEM SURE SHE WAS BEATEN UP?

ITS NOT THAT PPL DONT SYMPATHISE WITH HER, BUT PPL WANT TO KNOW IF SHE IS TELLING THE TRUTH TO GET OUR SYMPATHY. FOR ALL WE KNOW, SHE COULD BE LYING BETWEEN HER TEETH!

16 November, 2005 11:22  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i've said b4 the more she post on the blog the story become less convincing.

i was a firm beliver she was beaten and i blamed zouk for it, but then after re-reading her story and her latest postings, seems like it's more of a made up story.

16 November, 2005 11:23  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

fart3r: you're dumb. you try to be intelligent but you aren't. check yourself into a school for the mentally disabled.

16 November, 2005 11:35  
Anonymous Denny Filth said...


extrinsic said:
so denny tell me, do you think getting a high qualified or educated bouncers will solve the problem? that's the whole point of my comment anyway.


On that point I absolutely agree with you.

16 November, 2005 12:30  
Blogger extrinsic said...

A lot of people just jumped to the conclusion the incident happenned as she claimed - that is just simply naive and definitely not a smart move.

It is okay to sympathise, but wouldn't it smarter to find out the truth first before expressing your sympathy?

Even a charity begger on the street shows you some documentation that they are really from a charity organization. Just because they show me some pictures of the unfornate does mean they are real charity.

I was cautioned a radio station MYFM DJ, warned the public that we shouldn't give money to such beggers. The DJ announced any charity activity must be informed with the perbandaran of that town and has to be in a fixed premises.

Yet there are a lot of people spoiling them just out of "sympathy" without even bother to find out the truth.

"sympathy" is a weakness in human. Control your feelings and act rationally people. If the conmen or conwomen finds out its easy to con the public there will be more conmen.

There are a lot of conmen and conwomen out there. They even show you pictures and a few sad stories of the unfortunates and the address of the charity organization. But no name card and they operate at night. Still there are naive people believes them and give them money out of sympathy. Whether the money really goes to the needy or they put them in their own account, no body knows.

Its easier to verify if a charity begger is honest 'coz they come to you face to face. Trust me if he is REAL charity, he'll show you his IC and give you the contacts of the charity organization. I've done this so many times 'coz there are so many charity beggers out there you don't know who is conning.

As for Ju-Lee, I never demand any pictures from Ju-Lee because I think there's no point to. As far as I'm concerned, she is still a virtual person and not a real one.

Yes, I didn't sympathise her. How can I if I'm not sure of the incident?

Well, there are simple steps here for those who has doubt with her:

1. If you believe she is creating this blog for publicity and want to generate income out of it. Leave the site forever and don't come back. The less hit she got, the less chances she'll be able to generate income from the site.

2. There maybe other supporter who starts shooting you and each other to generate more hit. Again, there is no point to respond.

For her supporters:

You can keep supporting her out of your sympathy without knowing her real motives. That's your business.

This will be my last comment here.

16 November, 2005 12:57  
Anonymous Flammer by profession said...

FARTER !!!

YOU RE ARE DUMB FUCK LA WEI!

YOur bruises dissappear in matter of minutes isit?

FUCK dude, read the blog, do you think the injuries sustained by them just over haloween can heal so quickly?

TAKE A Pic of the injuries a few days later.. as evidence right?

YOu know when ANWAR WAS BEATEN UP by that COP??? HOW DO WE KNOW????

CAUSE THERE WERE PICTURES!!! TO SUBSTANTIATE HIS CLAIM!

HE had a couple of bruises and those pics were not taken immediately after he was beaten up!

THERE IS A BOOK which i have in my library.. which was sold during the time to show that he was beaten up.

YOU RE CALLING PEOPLE INSENSITIVE.. the reason why people are asking for pictures is to know that the 'ALLEGED' beating did happen.

"even if the story wasn't 100% true, the bottom line is she got beaten up. At least feel bad for that assholes"

You re quite the retard.. what even if its not 100% true, you certain that the beating up happened? you saw with your own eyes isit? .. ISIT??? ISIT RETARD?? fuck.. you wanna sympathize.. and flame people do it with some substantiation.

AND WHY people want pics?

That's the best evidence to show that there were injuries...

ONE LEGAL POINT THOUGH:

YOu take pictures of your injuries.. you think thats enough to prove your claim? think again..

You re going to have to prove;

1. When you took the pics; and
2. Show the negatives.

EVen if there are pics of injuries.. How were those injuries caused? 'Cause the bouncers beat me up..'

Retards: All you need is two hands, two legs, pipes, 2 X 4 to cause injuries la.. any fucker can do it.

SOmeone made a comment about video recording.. that would be the best form of evidence.. in so far as it is admissible.. thats another issue.

Fart3r, you re a dumb fuck. Seriously.

Let the games begin. I am waiting fuckwad.

16 November, 2005 14:58  
Anonymous Flammer by profession said...

Oh and just to show that i can laugh at myself,

My bro was left for dead when he was beaten up.. Before you fuckers say he deserved it cause he has a brother like me.. read this.

My brother was 16 at the time, a good kid.. and was mistaken for another person. An apology was sought for, and i vowed to hunt the people down who did it. Just when you think you re bad.. there will always be another person even 'bad-er' around the corner.

I found out that it was because of a girl and they mix up my brothers name and the target.

I won't say how but and 1 of the 5 people who left my brother for dead was also, left for dead. I ended up in remand for a good 8 months to wait for my trial and was released due to lack of evidence. They rounded up 11 people for fucks sake. And we chinese ah bengs look the same.

So yea. It didn't happen to me. But my bro didn't die. If he did. Someone else would have been too.

See i am laughing at myself already.

16 November, 2005 15:15  
Anonymous anwarIbrahim said...

Flammer by profession , lucky u fuck them up already, i no need to waste my time to fuck them up summore...

asshole rite this ppl.. think they have it all figured out! dumb asses..

16 November, 2005 17:51  
Anonymous dr watson said...

lol, guys. Fart3r had it shoved right up his farthole.

16 November, 2005 19:19  
Anonymous krang said...

Read her comments in the first few blog entries, she says she has pictures of the 'injuries' that she and james sustained. but don't want to post it because it makes them look like 'criminals'. So she gives us a picture showing us the 'softer side' of things.

You tell me wtf kind of excuse is that??

I hope she and James go to jail for defamation, and James can get his white ass raped by one of the prisoners.

Only then, will she and James know the true meaning of 'injuries'.

16 November, 2005 21:54  
Anonymous Flammer by profession said...

ANWAR: YOu said it man.. please feel free to the F'ing up. h

Dr.Watson: Last i heard farter was getting something done about it.. he has problem shitting.. but then again he's been spewing from his mouth.

Krang: That's exactly right man.. jeez.. inmates who get beaten up by cops in jail.. will also be examined by doctors if the injuries are that serious and a medical report will ensue.. what more this la..

17 November, 2005 09:18  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This bitch, the retard guy and the witness bitch should be sent to jail.

There they should be raped!!!

17 November, 2005 10:35  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

haha maybe raped by some of those nigerians with huge 10 inch cocks.

17 November, 2005 14:26  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just an idea to prove.No need to guess.Why don't some of you flammers go to Zouk this weekend and try this.
Go to the male toilet,sms your lady friend to come into the male toilet.Make sure she tells the cleaner that she is going in to help you.Once in there lock the door and lie down on the floor as if you are not well.
If they bang on the door,you just tell them you are not well and need help to go out and ask the bouncer to help you out.
I'll bet you, instead of helping you, they'll accuse you of "making out" and will use force to kick you out even though you are innocent.If you resist,they will bash you up.
Buuuut... by the lucky stars,you don't get bashed,come back here and flame!!Idiots!
The topic here is about the couple being beaten up.Bouncers are not to beat people up over small incident like this unless they are a threat!(what is so threatening 'bout them?!A super kick that can kill?).They are supposed to restrain and boot them out of the club!This is cleary abuse of power.They got beaten up cause a bouncer lost "face" when James tried to kick free while being manhandle by them and when JuLee ask for his name.But does that warrant a beating by four bouncers?DUH??!!
This is not about the security of the club anymore,but a case of pride and show of power!Dumbasses!
Beating a guy up, right or wrong is understandable.But a WOMAN??!!!WTF??!!!

17 November, 2005 16:44  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To those who doubt her story without seeing evidence:

1)Do u belive in god when you haven't seen him/her/it?The only proff that god exist is only tru' books and teachings.Why do you belive then if you do not have hard evidence.

2)Why do they use "In god we trust" on the US Dollar note when there is no subtantial proof that god exist?You mean to say that we must not belive in god anymore??!!

Just my two cents....

17 November, 2005 17:01  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

stupid god freak, dun shame god's name with ju-lee. we believe in god because we have seen his miracles. what miracles have ju-lee perform? blowjobs in the loo?

18 November, 2005 02:07  

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